Guest Post – Real Life Experience – Hurricanes and Hurried Preps

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I am Selco and I am from the Balkan region, and as some of you may know it was hell here from 92-95, anyway, for 1 whole year I lived and survived in a city WITHOUT: electricity, fuel, running water, food distribution, without any kind of organized law or government. The city was surrounded for 1 year and it actually was a real SHTF situation. Our allies were our enemies from one day to the next. Today I’m prepared and share my experience on this blog.

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One of my readers – Nick, commented on my last article and mentioned some details about his time during a hurricane in Florida. I asked him is he willing to write article about it, so I could post it on my blog because I thought there was some really valuable information too share.

Nick kindly responded.

I consider it as a very valuable and great written article.

He invested great effort in writing down details in it that actually show us some of the very basic and common problems that we might have during any kind of collapse.

I added my comments through the article (in italics) and few words after the article.

Nick – I guess I first started “prepping”, before it was a well-known word, in late 1999 as the threat of “Y2K” loomed.  I was living in a brick apartment building at the time. I bought my first water filters and water storage containers, emergency medical gear (some bandages and gauze), some back-up canned food, a few hundred dollars in stashed cash, and a Romanian AK-47.  It was not much, but it was something.  If the world was going to melt down, I wanted to be able to cover at least some basics.

Selco – It is great start for any “beginner” prepper, actually it covers basics in most of the fields of “survival”.

We can do philosophy for days about what man who is start in prepping actually needs to buy first, but it is basic-weapon, some food, some medicine, something about water and something about food, and some cash.

And then to build on that.

Nick – Fast forward to the 2004 Florida hurricane season when a “then-record-setting” four hurricanes hit Florida in one season.  I had my Y2K preps still, and after power went out from the first hurricane, I added a generator and some stored gasoline.

At the time I was living in a cinder block single-family home.  Hurricane Charley was the worst of the bunch, tearing apart buildings, lifting roofs, scattering debris far and wide, taking down power lines and trees (most of which seemed to end up in the streets), and removing power from neighborhoods for anywhere from a few days to several weeks.  And this was just the central part of Florida… things were much worse on the coasts where these storms initially impacted.

Still, I felt relatively safe in my sturdy cinder block house.  It weathered the storm well, although the roof almost lifted off as a tornado destroyed a huge tree in my back yard (I was in the living room in a leather motorcycle jacket and helmet to protect me from flying debris if the roof came off).  A gasoline generator kept the refrigerator running for days, and just as the food and gasoline was about to run out, the power came back on and everything started returning to normal.

Selco – Having generator in that event was great thing, and I like the idea how you used it (to keep food ok as long it is possible), we all just have to keep in mind  that maybe if that event was more serious fact that you have running generator could attract unwanted quests (noise of running generator means fuel, means possible interesting things in house for intruders)

Nick – Fast forward again to the 2017 Florida hurricane season.  By this time I had been “prepping”for a few years, prompted mostly by Selco’s SHTF School which I purchased access to on advice of a friend.  It was the most eye-opening experience in all my prepping so far.  His first SHTFSchool program was gripping in it’s simplistic honesty…

I listened to several lessons over and over again just to hear the real emotions he felt during his time of survival in a besieged city.  His second SHTFSchool program was enlightening and thought-provoking in it’s expanse and detail.  Many times I listened to certain lessons over and over to be sure I fully consumed all they had to offer.  Even today, when Selco posts a new blog article, I go to it eagerly and immediately.  There is no more powerful lesson than “real experience”, assuming you survive it… and Selco has.

My main concerns in “prepping” had been long-term societal meltdown and the assumed ensuing chaos.  Whether from economic collapse, EMP, civil unrest… whatever the cause, the result I was prepping for was the same… long-term self-sufficiency.  By 2017 I had amassed enough “stuff” to consider myself “quite well prepared”… not as well as some, but certainly more than the average guy on the street.

I had several weaknesses, though… no secondary bugout location, and no network of nearby “prepper friends”.  People in my area have not experienced much real hardship, therefore they don’t see the need to “prepare”.  They spend their time and money on pleasures, then scramble for solutions when trouble arises… so there are not many people to establish “prepper camaraderie” with.

Selco – I definitely agree with your concerns. One of the mistakes in prepper community is that lot of them are preparing for specific (and sometimes low-probable ) events, and by that they are “missing” some preps and plans.

“Societal meltdown” sounds good as a starting point for preparing, to build more on that thought let’s say good thought is that we need to prepare for event when “there are gonna be more people then resources, and as a one (most important) result there s gonna be violence”

Nick – When the 2017 Florida Hurricane season started, I was somewhat “ho-hum” about it… another summer, another storm season.  “Whatever.”  Been in Florida for 30 years now, no big deal.  Plus, I’m “prepared to the gills”, right?  No worries, I thought.  I was ready for anything.  I had a great get-home bag and plan (in case something happened while I was at work), I had a ton of diversified supplies stashed, I had a big lake nearby for water and fish, there’s a hospital a few blocks away, lots of undeveloped land to hide in for a while if things get crazy… no worries.

Oh boy…. was I wrong.

Selco – I have been there, and fact is that majority of us are gonna be there again, in the place and moment when you realize that “ everybody has a plan until they get punched in phase”.

Often comes to good old “adapt and overcome”.

Nick – Hurricane Irma started off looking like it was going to skirt past the south part of Florida and disappear into the Gulf of Mexico.  We watched it for days… we all have weather apps in our phones.  I was watching 5 different apps as the storm tracked, and actually bet my work friends it would zip past South Florida and head out into the Gulf.  I was more concerned about the poor souls in Texas and Louisiana than us in Florida.  But then at the last minute it did a crazy thing… it cut a 45-degree north turn and headed straight up the Florida peninsula.  Projections were anywhere from “running the west coastline” to “straight up the middle toward Orlando”.

That’s when the chaos began.

The Governor of Florida issued evacuation orders for southern Florida.  The streets became clogged with “storm refugees” trying to escape.  Florida has water on three sides… the only way to escape is “up/north”, and there are not a lot of roads you can use to do that.  The Florida Turnpike was clogged nearly dead stop for 2 days… back streets through the countryside were bumper-to-bumper.  The four-lane road that runs through my town was clogged northbound for 1.5 days with endless lines of cars full of people and belongings… it never stopped.  Day and night they came.  I had no idea there were so many people in south Florida, and that it would be so hard to get them out of an area.  I wondered about the simple things… will they get out in time?  Where are they going?  What about gas?…most cars were idling in bumper-to-bumper traffic… where are they going to get more gas?

The gas stations had been sold out of gas the first day of the evacuation, and it was hard for the tanker trucks to get more out to them. Bottled water was gone from almost everywhere, canned food was gone, bread was gone, batteries were gone, flashlights/headlamps were gone, the camping section of the local department store was stripped of everything from camp stoves/propane bottles to dehydrated food to sleeping bags to bug spray… all the normal “panic buying” stuff was gone.  I wasn’t worried, I was just out picking up a few things to top off my stash… but I was concerned about the rest of the population around me.

Selco – It seems to me that you missed the moment to “bug out”, usually it is not moment when everybody else chooses to bug out. It is bit before them, or sometimes even after.

Nick – I went home and put the pre-fitted plywood boards over my windows.  I charged my emergency lighting systems. I checked my long-term food preparations and stored up/treated some backup water. Everything looked good, and I wasn’t expecting anything bad… as hurricanes travel over land, they weaken… I was expecting a Category 2 or 1 storm by the time it got to me.  But then the bad news came….

Projections were saying possible Category 3 winds at my location, within hours.  That’s a problem.  My house is overhung by several enormous Live Oak trees that have been here for a very long time.  The house I was in at the time of Hurricane Irma is totally wood and built about 95 years ago.  The overhanging trees are at least that old.  They are also huge with very, very thick overhanging branches.  If one big branch were to break off it would go through the house, and if one of those trees were to fall on the house, it would be complete destruction.  I had decided that if the projections were for Category 3 winds or better, I would “abandon ship” so as not to risk being crushed by falling wood.  And now, that Category 3 wind was being projected.

Ok, so I have about 2.5 hours to find a safe place to be.  I don’t befriend my neighbors, and their houses are no better off than mine anyway.  I don’t want to go to a buddy’s place, because the closest buddy is 45 minutes drive away… if this storm is bad, and the roads are blocked like they were after Hurricane Charley, I might not be able to get back to my house for days.  I had not packed for a bugout since my stuff is largely at home… I had planned to stand fast in the event of disaster.  But the overhanging trees said I had to get out… being potentially crushed to death by trees was not an acceptable scenario.

I went online to check for local hurricane shelters (fortunately the storm had not gotten bad yet, and internet was still up).  I found two possible places and went to the closest one… it was a high school made of cinder blocks… very sturdy, and big, and it was less than a mile from my house. “Cool… if the roads are trashed afterward, I can still walk back to my house to protect it from looters.”  But since I had not made a bugout bag, I had to put one together fast.  Food… but how do I cook it?  Can’t make fire inside…. need food that doesn’t require cooking. Fortunately I had some emergency rations.  Clothing… how much do I need?  I might be there for a day.  Water… how much to bring?  No telling if running water will be in stable supply after the storm.  Protection… need to pack a pistol… never know what I’ll encounter on the walk home.  Money, cell phone, backup battery pack for the cell phone, sleeping gear… I saw one lady online had a tent set up inside a shelter so she had privacy…. a good idea.  I packed a tent and a light blanket.  And a poncho. And a headlamp.  And toilet paper.  And anything else I thought was essential.  I had never been to an emergency shelter so I did now know what to expect, what would be provided (if anything), or for how long.

 Selco – It is good that you choose to “abandon ship”, because lot of folks may not choose that (fear for stuff in house etc), checking for shelters (on still working) internet is cool.

Nick – Time to do a recon trip.

I drove to the shelter to check it out.  Outside were four big Army National Guard vehicles and 3 police cruisers.  This didn’t look too good… I felt like I was “swimming into the jaws of the shark, not toward the safety of the shoreline”.  It was raining and windy… the storm was about 1.5 hours away now.  I walked up to go inside, then had to turn around and go back to the truck… “no weapons allowed inside, even if you have a concealed carry license” the sign said.  It was looking worse by the minute.

After ditching my pistol in the truck, I went back inside and was immediately faced with several Army National Guard soldiers in full uniform.  Behind them, three local police officers. Near them, a pair of folding tables with several frazzled-looking young women handling lists of “this and that”.  I walked around surveying the place, which caused the soldiers and police to watch me in turn.  There seemed to be snacks available for purchase as desired, and there was a white board with writing on it listing mealtimes… lunch, dinner, and breakfast.  I asked one of the ladies “You’re going to serve meals?”  She said “oh, yes… we don’t want you to go hungry.”  How nice. She started describing the menu, but I didn’t really hear her….

“How many people are you expecting?” I asked.

“About 300 to 400”.  There were maybe 20 or 30 in the gymnasium of the school already.  I estimated capacity of the floor space to reasonably be about 300.  400 would be cramped and potentially invite “personality clashes”.  Of the 20 or 30 people already there, about 1/3 of them looked like trouble or idiots… too high a percentage in my estimation.  I went to check the rest room facilities… what would that be like for 400 people?  In a word, “terribly inadequate”.  Just three toilets in the men’s room, and other areas of the school were marked “inaccessible”. There was already a homeless guy in the men’s room taking a “sponge bath” and making a mess of the place, and the real crisis had not hit yet.  This was not looking good.

I went back up to the ladies at the desk and asked them what I needed to know about staying there.  If I decided to stay with them, I had to sign in…and if leaving I had to sign out, but I’d likely not be leaving… at least not for 24 hours.  “The Sheriff has issued a curfew for 24 hours… you’ll be with us for that duration.”  Oh, great… locked in here with no ability to leave under threat of police and soldiers.  Not looking good at all.  Still, it was that or risk being crushed to death by falling trees.  I was beginning to accept the idea of the shelter.

…but then the bus came in.  A school bus.  And another school bus behind it.  When the doors opened what trailed out was a stream of people that I am certain were from the local drug rehabilitation center.  All ages, both genders, dressed every crazy which way, many babbling to themselves, most carrying nothing, some carrying bundles of stuff wrapped up in sheets, none dressed for the weather… it was like watching a clip from “The Walking Dead”, if it had a “psychotics” episode.  God bless these poor souls, but it was shocking to see.  I asked one of the soldiers “Where are these busses coming from?”  He was busy staring blankly at the new arrivals… “I don’t know…” he said flatly and quietly.

That was it… I was out.  No protection allowed, insufficient toilets, and 24 hours of “forced safety” in the close company of questionable characters…. that’s not for me.

I drove back to my house and pondered possible answers.  There was another school designated as a shelter 11 miles away, but likely the same rules and a much longer walk back to the house if the roads were blocked.  I had to find a place to hide from the storm that wasn’t an “official shelter”, and I figured I had about an hour to find it.

Selco – Yeah, this may look as a tough choice, for me personally it would be easy choice, even if that means I would need to crawl in some hole somewhere I still would not choose to stay without weapon with bunch of other people, without control when I can go out, with armed people who control that. More about this later.

Nick – I tossed my hastily-formed bugout bag into my truck, grabbed a pair of tall waterproof boots and a heavy duty poncho, some beef jerky and a canteen of water, and drove into town.  I had been scouting out hiding places the day before the storm, just in case I needed to tuck my truck into a cubby-hole somewhere for a few hours.  The places I had scoped out were already occupied by people with the same idea I had… “hide your car from damage”.  Drat.  Now what?  Well, I decided to play it by ear.  I went back to my house, pulled out some panels from my fence so I could drive through, parked in my own back yard out of the reach of potentially-falling trees, and settled in to wait it out.

Selco – You had good idea there, to check day earlier about possible spaces for your truck

Nick – The storm started promptly and in about 2 hours things were going badly.  The wind was up, the rain was thick, power lines and transformers were blowing up with buzzing zaps and green/blue/white fireballs… everything was dark and the rain was sheeting white.  Pieces of palm trees, and small branches from oak trees, were bouncing off my truck, its doors, and windows.  Then somewhere down the street I heard a tree tear apart… that splintering crashing bang of something sturdy completely failing from stress and pressure.  I had to move out… I was too exposed in my yard, and things were getting worse every 10 minutes.

I drove out of my yard and just followed “instinct” into town.  The first thing I came upon was the tree I heard shatter… it was large, and laying across the street in front of me.  The rain was so thick I had to get within two car lengths of it to see what it truly was.  Then I had to back up and take a different route.  I was headed into the wind so my truck was not rocking much, but the rain was so thick I had to drive slowly, even with the wipers on “high”.  It was a number of blocks before I was in the little “downtown” area of my town.  There had to be something I could park under/into for a few hours.  I even prepared myself for being confronted by homeowners if I needed to shelter on the side of their house.

Fortunately, I didn’t have to.  I found a small service driveway on the leeward side of City Hall.  It was right up close to a 5-story high building made of solid brick, and the wall was wide too.  On the other side of that wall was a huge long building, so there was plenty of sturdy protection.  I used my phone to google a satellite image of the top of the building looking for nearby rooftop equipment… air conditioning units, etc… anything that might come loose and tumble off the top of the roof onto my parked truck.  Nope, looked clean… nothing close enough to worry about.

I parked, shut off the lights, kicked the seat back to lower my visual profile, locked my doors, chambered a round in my pistol (I had taken the rifle out of the truck due to curfew…. if I’m stopped, it’s easy to explain a pistol, not so easy to explain a rifle), and set my snacks, water, and poncho nearby to wait it all out.  The storm continued to grow in strength, but where I had my truck parked was so calm there was hardly any wind at all.  Thin, straggly bushes near my truck door were hardly even moving while bushes and trees “out in the wind” were being twisted apart.

The storm intensified steadily and rapidly.  If I remember correctly the winds were 88 MPH (miles per hour) steady, with stronger gusts.  You could tell when the stronger gusts hit…. the rain started blowing nearly horizontally, debris from buildings, yards, and trees would fly or roll by, and street signs would flex and rotate in ways you would not think possible.  In the distance there was the sound of crashing and snapping trees.  Flashes in the dark distance indicated more power line damage.

This went on for hours throughout the night.  I drifted in and out of sleep.  Some time in the wee hours of the morning, still during the darkness, I noticed the steady howl of the wind was lowering… the speed was reducing.  Phone apps said wind speed was down into the 60 MPH range.  Good, it’s lessening…. I planned to go back to my house once it got into the 40 MPH range.  I needed to see if anything had fallen through that flimsy wood structure.  In the meantime, I went back to sleep.

I awoke a short time later… wind and rain were still blowing but it was driveable.  I sat up and rubbed my eyes and prepared to roll out toward home, just a few blocks away.

Then… the cops showed up.

Initially they drove up at a 90 degree angle to my truck and stopped… they obviously saw me move inside it.  Drat…  So I sat fully up, smiled, and waved at them, hoping they would see I was okay and they would go away.  Nope, they pulled up next to my truck, facing the opposite way from me, and rolled down their passenger side window.  There were two of them in their “emergency truck”… a Ford diesel pickup with police markings all over it, as well as all the off-road goodies… lift kit, off-road tires, basher bumper, spotlights, etc… I didn’t know our little town had a truck like that… where do they hide these things?

I rolled down my passenger window so I could hear them, and I kept my hands on the steering wheel so they would not get nervous…

“What are you doing out here??” the passenger cop yelled over the wind.

“Waiting out the storm.”

They both stared at me in silence.

“Why aren’t you home?” he yelled.

“I live in a small wooden house under huge trees… I didn’t want them falling on me.”

They stared at me in silence.

“It’s right down the street, a few blocks away”, and I pointed in the direction I was referencing.

They both turned their heads and looked down the street into darkness and fallen trees.  And they  stared that way for an oddly long period of time.

Eventually I said “…. and I was just leaving to go there now, when you pulled up.”

They turned to look at me….

“Good!” the passenger-side cop snarled.  He closed his window and they drove off.  I likewise closed my window, turned on my lights, and slowly drove off and back home. I thanked God for his help with the cops… they could have easily arrested me for breaking curfew.  For a few minutes there it felt like the Star Wars scene: “…these are not the droids you’re looking for….”

I arrived to find no trees perforating my house, but a ton of “yard debris” everywhere, (took days to clean up), portions of my fence blown down, power out, and some streets blocked by fallen trees.  My suspicion that trees could fall was substantiated, but thank God, none of them were on my house.  I parked in my back yard and went inside the house to check on things… the high waterproof boots, large poncho and waterproof headlamp came in handy for that, but I could have used a face shield to deflect the wind, rain, debris, and roof runoff that was still happening during the steady 40MPH winds.  There was no power on inside, and there were some roof leaks, but overall the place was intact.  God is good.


While I was sheltering in my truck near the City Hall, I made a list 3 pages long of things I needed to do/learned from this.  I was honestly somewhat embarrassed that after 5 recent years of “focused prepping”, I found myself without a solution for the most likely Florida disaster… a bad hurricane.  That really rattled my “prepper confidence”, which in hind sight is a good thing.  It shook out weaknesses I didn’t know I had, and introduced a “conflicted” situation… curfew, but I can’t stay in my house.  Below are just a few of the things I wrote on my three pages of notes.  Some apply to my hurricane situation, some don’t, but were good ideas anyway.

1 -Stock up on quality “no perish, no prepare” foods in case you can’t cook food where you are sheltering.

2 -Make an overnight toiletries kit, then make expanded versions to supply you for a week, then for a month.  Grab the one you need as you pack your escape bag.

3 -Make a bag of clothes for a day, then expand that to supply you for a week, then for a month.  Grab the one you need as you pack your escape bag.

4 -Make an overnight medical kit, then expand that to supply you for a week, then for a month.  Grab the one you need as you pack your escape bag.

5 -Stage these different levels of kit on shelving near the door so you can grab what you need and shove it all into your bugout pack, just like Selco suggested in his courses and blogs.  Time frames are: 1 day, 1 week, 1 month.

6 -Have tall waterproof boots, and an extra long poncho to cover your back pack and legs.

7 -Pack your electronics in a sealed ammo can and aluminum-tape the seam.

8 -Stock up on ethanol-free gas only.  Stabilize it, of course.  Plan enough spare fuel in the truck to get you out of a danger area without needing a gas station.

9 -Make trap doors in your hurricane window coverings for ventilation. (can also be used as observation ports/gun ports)

10 -Keep colloidal silver in a nose sprayer in your medical kit. (During the hurricane I took a nose-full of dirty roof runoff water and it gave me a nasal infection… spraying colloidal silver solution in my nose cured it in 3 days).

11 -Nose plugs, ear plugs, face shield (riot type) for being outside during blowing rain.

12 -Garden cart with non-pneumatic tires for pulling buckets of water from the lake to the house in case water/sewer services are inoperable.

13 -Have a hand-pump well installed on the property, hidden.

14 -Learn preservation of meat, fruits, and vegetables.  Survival food has only but so much inherent nourishment.

And last but not least, Selco has always advocated a remote bugout location to get to (“use your bugout bag only to get to your bugout location and your stash there”), and “support people” around you to band together with when SHTF.  He is absolutely right, but those two things I lack.  I live in American suburbia… it’s not like other places where you can “head for the hills between villages” and have a cabin there. It doesn’t work that way where I am.  Land with buildings on it is very, very expensive… most people have trouble buying one home, much less a backup building on land elsewhere.  And most land that you can see is owned by the government, companies, ranches, or private individuals… individuals that will shoot at a stranger very quickly even during normal times.

I have two buddies I could flee to in an emergency, one is 45 minutes drive, another is 90 minutes drive… that would effectively cause me to abandon much of my prep gear, apart from what I could take in my truck… that is, if roads are passable in the first place.  So there is much to think about… it was indeed “healthy embarrassment” to my “prepper pride” to find myself stuck out in a hurricane in my truck, trying to hide somewhere like a rat.  It just goes to show… you can be as “prepared” as you want, but God and nature can still throw you a curveball of circumstances.

Selco – I understand your point there-you are prepper for years and at the end you end up sitting in your truck “hiding like a rat”.

 I would not be so “cruel” there, you choose lesser evil in that particular moment and it worked good at the end, you worked with what you got in moment.

 And lot of times it will be simple like that, you ll have to work with what you got.

 And yes, having luck will be always part of everything.

Nick – The best thing to have in any situation, I think, is an open, evaluative, creative mind and the Grace of God.  With these things you have an increased chance of survival… because you can’t possibly gear up for everything.  Do what you can, think of everything you can, run scenarios to test your assumptions, plans, and gear, adjust as you discover and learn things, but for God’s sake, don’t get too stuck on one plan… because it could go to pieces quickly.  Think, try, adjust, trust your instincts, and pray… you’ll increase your odds of making it through.  And don’t keep all your gear/supplies in one “basket”.


Selco – All post event evaluation points are great and valuable, you realized on your own experience (nothing can beat that) how small things like dirty roof runoff water can complicate things, imagine how some leg wound from dirty piece of wood (debris) would complicate it, or even minor thing like wet socks (and no spare pair).

You mentioned more points in an email to me, so I’ll go through them:

 Overconfidence in your preps?

 I would say that you were missing “speed” in making decision, you made right and great decision not to bug out (congested roads), to abandon your house (danger from fallen trees), not to take community shelter (no guns allowed, possible violence, lack of hygiene etc), you took your vehicle as your temporary shelter.

 All good decisions, but maybe (just maybe) you might plan to use your car a s shelter, prepare it earlier for that, scope earlier for possible “hide out” for your car, and “occupy” earlier that place (before others get there).

 In the equation of dangers at home because possible falling trees and that community shelter packed with people (different kind of people) and armed guard at the entrance (exit) and especially “no guns” rule I would too definitely choose my car and danger of storm by being inside that car.

 Preps are good to have, to have right mindset to decide what to do next is more important.

 Not thinking about worst case scenario, about abandoning your home?

Nobody like to “abandon home”, people take it as a surrender often, actually it is about making decision what make sense in that moment.

 When you really adopt fact that you ll may be forced to abandon your home only then you can make really good plans for that, like BOB in “shelves system”, because you cannot have “one bag for every situation”, it is impossible.

 Other layer could be your car, it needs to be prepare for abandoning your home with things like extra fuel canisters (not so visible of course), blankets, food, water…

 After that next layer could be fact that you gonna be forced to abandon your car, so you can be prepared for that, small bottles of water instead of canisters of water, tarps, lightweight tent, backpack, small waist bag…

 You mentioned above tall waterproof boots and extra long poncho to cover you back pack and legs, yes, it is great, because at the end that may be all that you had from shelter and you started with your home, it is not important how poorly you look if you survived.

 Being a lone wolf

Yea, it is tough if you are alone, not impossible (especially in short term events) but it is tough.

I can only give you two advices there: try to connect with other people, if that still is impossible then just try to be as better is possible in your preps.

There is no other advice, no magical solution.

You are mentioned that you have two buddies (45 and 90 mins driving from you).

It is something, it is some network.

Having all preps in one location

I already understand that you are living in “suburbia” that it is not some perfect prepper settings, but is there option of having some stash hidden somewhere?

Even if that means taking some of the stuff (few boxes) over to one of your buddies?

Yes, it is big “flaw” not to have some stash hidden somewhere.

If any other readers have ‘real life experience’ they would like to share, feel free to submit your thoughts to [email protected] for consideration on the blog.

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  1. In Florida Location is everything. If you live in low lands near water, expect to be flooded. If you live near the coast, expect heavy damage. it’s why I chose the Orlando area, highest point in the state and even a CAT5 storm will fall apart and be far less lethal by the time it get’s here. it doesnt stop the fact that people in general are panicky animals. I heard about the hurricane 7 days out and filled my cars and the jerry cans of gas and bought supplies. 2 days later they hint on the news we might get hit and the stores are ransacked, gas stations with fights, etc… you have to learn, look, and listen. Situational awareness is key because 99% of the population has none.

    Worst case, I bought gas and preps for no reason and I have to slowly rotate them. Pay attention, react early and know your situation. there is no down side to reacting before everyone else does. Also no matter how cool it is to live on the river, it’s the dumbest place to own in a state that floods twice a year. Pick where you live smart. try to have the house at the highest point in the neighborhood. do you know where the nearest creek or lake is? do you know your flood zones? how about evac routes and alternate routes.

    Lastly prepping to weather the storm. stupid people buy tape for the windows or buy plywood right before the storm. smart people buy storm shutters or keep ready made plywood in the garage ready for rapid deployment.

    Pick the right place to live, be aware and react first because there is no down side to reacting early.

  2. Nick thank you for sharing this well written narrative. Thank you Selco for your analysis. I served in our Army and National Guard for 34 years, including several years as unit commander. But now I’m a civilian. And former membership means nothing to guys in uniform on guard duty. My point is, I will do everything in my power to stay out of any agencies “shelter”.

    I picked up several good ideas here. Thanks and God Bless.

  3. Great chronicle. Thanks.

    For me, the most captivating aspect of this story is apparent adversarial nature of the emergency, relief, and law enforcement officials. Nick’s reactions to their actions and posturing in every way reinforces my apprehension and distrust of official personnel during disastrous events or conditions. To me, they are to be avoided as strictly as any potentially dangerous individuals are to be avoided.

    Well, lastly, I can’t vouch for how God did during this ordeal, but it seems to me that Nick surely conducted himself in an exemplary manner.

  4. Super helpful recap from Nick and commentary from Selco (as always).

    Re-inspired to build several types of bags (day, week, month) and store properly for quick action.

    Need one additional small bag that goes with each I suppose – passport, money, weapon, ammo, light, multitool, blade, coms, fire, first aid that drops or goes separately with whichever larger bag you need – larger bag is the one for correct amount of food, H20, replacement clothes, additional gear appropriate to the type of bugout (space blanket versus tent, filter straws vs pump filter or 5 candle filter).

    Sound about right?

  5. Thank you, Nick, and Selco for the post,

    (Warning: As Usual My Post Contains a Lot of Verbiage)

    Nick, your post resonated with me as I live in Florida and after going thru multiple near miss hurricanes on the East coast, beachside and mainland, I had enough and moved into the central portion of the state just in time to be in the paths of Hurricane Charley, Frances and Jeanne, along with the tropical storm rain and winds of Ivan. 2004 was a strange year for Florida and hurricanes as it dispelled any idea you were safe inland.

    After seeing waves come over Florida SR A1A it was time to move. A1A is a road running north to south parallel to the coastline that in portions are built like a dike or levee, the high point of the beachside sandbar. As the song “When the Levee Breaks” goes (it) “Got what it takes to make a mountain man leave his home”.

    Hurricane Lesson 101: For those who are not from Florida, living on the coastline equates to being in the direct impact of hurricane winds, storm surge and tornadoes.

    The winds can range anywhere from 50 to 150 mph plus.

    • At 50 mph, plastic lawn furniture will travel, fly, parallel to the ground for blocks without ever touching ground in one continuous motion. Hub-cap wheel covers will litter the streets.

    • At the upper range of 150 mph the winds will easily lift a roof even with tie-down hurricane clips. And in my opinion there is the chance of a catastrophe event in the future of heavy damage to condominiums since the storms seem to be getting stronger and some of the older high-rise buildings were built on concrete hull foundations designed to float on the water saturated soil, er, sand, Florida is just one big sandbar. Except now with salt-water intrusion corroding the concrete metal reinforcing bars and the building’s weight crushing the foundation it’s a question mark what will happen in the DIRECT hit of a hurricane.

    • And that’s on top of the whirlwind of flying shattered glass and debris. Wood 2x4s have been imbedded in trees due to hurricane winds.

    • But that is a moot point if the Hurricane hasn’t already created a coastal inlet where your community was once. There are a lot of buildings and condos on the coastal barrier islands. The barriers were Nature’s protection against Hurricane damage. Therefore, no vegetation due to excessive building, nothing holding the sand dunes together, no protection for the main land side, no more beach side sandbar.

    • The negative leeward wind pressures can vacuum out the interior of a building, people and all.

    • Domes are safer than rectangular buildings as there no 90 degree angles to create negative pressures. (Btw: if there are to be gun ports on your bugout shelter I suggest a cross design for both vertical and horizontal views and quarter inch gravel in the walls to reduce interior wall fragmentation. Just trying to somewhat pragmatic in this post. Look up free PDF’s of Cresson H. Kearney’s book online, different Bug-Out-Bag but still useful.)

    Tornados spawning off the Northwest quadrant of a hurricane will do just nearly as much damage as the hurricane. Once, I counted twenty to twenty-five tornadoes barely touching the roof of the house I was in. They sound like train locomotives or earthquake waves.

    Then there is the storm surge, up to the fifteen feet to thirty-five-foot-high water level, after the storm passes. So, even if you live on the second-floor level you’re going to need a lot of Bleach to clean the mold after you take off your sheetrock walls and toss out everything you own. Bulk stock up on vinegar and baking soda for clean-up. Salt is good for gargling and as a nose spray. The salt block deer hunters use is relatively inexpensive. I automatically buy candles at Thrift Stores but they are getting less available as people are catching on. Nick’s idea of a helmet with visor is a very good idea.

    Ok, lesson’s over, I’m not writing a doomsday scenario … but I’m writing this out of anxiety accumulated over multiple hurricane seasons. You don’t notice it at first but with each passing storm there is a residual built-up anticipation inside you that the Weather News Stations play upon if only to get people to buy more overpriced plywood and gasoline.

    Do not depend on the local government authorities to keep you informed. The track record of the weather personal predicting the paths of Hurricane Irma last year was dismal. Their computer path models were based on old Fortran code programming as far as I understand it. Granted hurricanes are unpredictable but their margin of error was large enough for a hurricane to go through. came closest to predicting Hurricane Irma’s path using various models. The European/British were better than the American models.

    I empathize with Nick on bugging-out. The info ranged from conflicting to, at best, bad, so deciding on a bugout time was difficult. It’s unusual for a hurricane to make a 45 degree turn and a close 90 degree turn for Hurricane Matthew was strange. The path Irma took was one of the least damaging coast-wise considering from Palm Beach to Miami is one long city but caused the maximum confusion for South Florida. Originally one path prediction was to come behind Palm Beach landside. I flippantly thought that ain’t gonna happen since that’s where Mar-a-Lago is.

    A few years ago, before an approaching hurricane the local authorities issued a mandatory evacuation only because they were criticized for not having one the year before. Fifty-thousand, that’s 50,000 people were stranded out in the open on a major expressway, cars bumper to bumper. Thank goodness, the hurricane did not make landfall. And just as Hurricane Irma, the north bound traveling cars were not allowed to use the south bound lanes even though they were empty.

    Lesson from Hurricane Katrina worth noting. After authorities confiscated weapons from houses they spray-painted a cross with markings in each quadrant. The next day gang members came and robbed that house.

    Thanks to Selco’s article on “River crossings” I’m gaining awareness of my surroundings. My suggestion is to collect as many different maps as you can, road maps, topographic contour maps, hydrologic maps, soil survey, Rose wind maps, Landsat, etc. of your bug-out location. Then overlay them in consideration with the seasons, i.e. mosquitoes, ticks, heat. A few feet elevation height difference in Florida could mean a whole new ecologic landscape.

    For example, a creek can rise fourteen feet during the summer rain season due to the watershed around it as noted in the Comment section. But on the other hand, being on a 150 feet elevation, a high point in Florida, does not guarantee you will not be flooded. I live close to a 150-ft. elevated ridge that’s part of the southernmost plateau of the Okefenokee Swamp. If the adjacent wetlands flood alligators will come onto U.S. Route 441 to sun bath.

    After Irma, sinkholes developed due to the limestone karst geography and the saturated water table so portions of major roads were closed due to that potential hazard. All the major and back country roads in North Florida traffic were congested and relieve efforts were handicapped. If anything was left on the shelves after the hoards left the state, they were bone empty by the same returning locusts. Have more than one bug-out route and bug-BACK route. Timing is a concern going and coming back. Add that to your list of bags, Bug-Back Bag (BBB).

    Lesson, don’t depend on the news you hear … and don’t get on the bus or in the shelters as Nick aptly illustrated. An additional concern would be bedbugs from shelters. Funny, the town I’m in has a MRAP Military vehiclelike tank (?).
    By the way, as Nick indicated, a Live Oak tree branch, say a fifty foot horizontally grown branch can weight tons.

    So, Selco is right, best to get ‘Out Of Dodge’ before the masses are told to evacuate. There is NO making it thru a direct hit of a Hurricane on the coastline as there may not be any land remaining where once was your house. Leave it to the surfers and strangely enough the steely-b*ll German Tourists who are brave enough to go down to the beachfront and photograph the incoming hurricane.

  6. P.s.,

    Why the emphasis on the coastline of Florida and hurricanes?

    “The latest US Census Bureau estimate (published in December 2016) puts the population of Florida at 20,612,439. Details of the Florida population 2017 will be published in December 2017.”

    “The majority of people in Florida are clustered in a few major cities or along the coast. Unsurprisingly for a state which has the longest coastline in the continental US, more than 75% of the people in Florida live within ten miles of the coast.”

    Therefore: 20,612,439 X 0.75 = 15,459,330
    So, about 15,460,00 people in Florida live within ten miles of the coastline.

  7. Nick,

    I appreciate you sharing your experience, and I’m very glad you are alive. My big question is, have you gotten rid of those darned house threatening trees as we enter the 2018 hurricane season? It seemed that a lot of your decisions were driven by those trees. I’m not trying to be a smart ass, but your fate seemed to be in the hands of the trees. This can’t be good…

    I agree with you assessment of the shelter as an unpleasant and potentially dangerous place. I’m not sure that you have to comply with the no carry rule and certainly you don’t want the busloads of derelicts to be armed. Be gray and discrete…but your decision to ride it out seems prudent. Hurricanes are unpleasant and dangerous but they are finite.

    Finally, the cops that eyeballed you parked next to be building were just doing their job and they did let you return to your home. I suspect you would be grateful if some Christmas in July shoppers were parked near you home and they were challenged by law enforcement.

    As one who lives with hurricanes – prepare, hunker down if you are not in a storm surge zone and be inconspicuous.


  8. Reply to Jerry from his June 5, 2018 post…
    Hi, Jerry- it’s Nick. Thanks for asking about the trees, etc.

    Yep, the trees are still there… mainly because there are 4 of them and a recent quote to remove them is about 2,500$ per tree, not including stump removal. I can’t swing that financially at the moment… it will have to be one tree at a time. Oddly, a small-ish branch, maybe 20 feet long with the diameter of an average man’s leg, just crashed to the ground in my front yard from a small storm yesterday… so, I think I’m being warned. Those trees (and they are indeed HUGE and THICK) will have to go, but it will take a while for me to get the money to do it. In the meantime, I make sure my homeowner’s insurance is current. 😉

    I have also been working on the bugout list I prepared last year. I have a main bugout bag, stacked mini-bags of various durations as listed prior, and have secured invitation from my prepper buddy 90 minutes away to come join him and his “team” if danger threatens again. And I likely will… I’m betting on two named storms hitting Florida this season… just a hunch… so I’m making ready now, and as per Selco’s wisdom, I’ll leave early. The nervousness from my “trapped like a rat” situation last time is really driving me to never have to go through that again. It’s a good thing. I am also filling a “backup stash” duffel bag of prepper stuff for drop-off at my buddy’s place very soon. Selco is right again… you have to have people, and you have to spread your stuff around like squirrels do.

    As for the behavior of the police that rainy evening, I do understand your perspective and theirs. The cops in this town are good Joes… I’ve met a bunch of them a bunch of times, and they’ve always been “the citizen’s advocate”. Sure, they were a little grumpy that night… but in the end, they let me do my thing and go on my way. I know it could have been quite different… if was the County Sheriff it might have gone WAY worse… but the local cops are generally cool. So, yes, I understand and agree with your comment concerning them.

    For those that wondered or asked, I live in the central part of Florida away from the coasts. In my opinion anyone that lives within 50 miles of the Florida Coast is almost suicidal. You’re sure to get hurricane-whacked at some time or another, and egress inland is near impossible if you don’t do it 2 days early. In my opinion the coasts of Florida are for visiting, but not for living.

    Thank you everyone for reading my post and for replying/commenting. For my fellow Floridians I say “make ready” so you don’t end up like I did. The “out of time/helplessness” sensation stays with you… try not to be in a situation to feel it in the first place. Make ready, stay ready, remain calm, think clearly, don’t get too cocky or over-confident, don’t keep all your preps in one location, have several backup plans, follow your God-given instincts, and get out of the way of danger as early as you can.

    God bless you all, and be safe-

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